“Love” is When

26 Aug



This next one – and to add, HE doesn’t look happy and IN love either.



We are hard pressed to find any photo of them looking IN LOVE before  2015- before the wedding. The man looked MISERABLE not doting and awe struck





HERE is a very bad day for me getting tired and sick of watching a grown man get taken advantage of – 2013




Johnny was sober,(not drinking excessively at least) until he and Bruce Robinson filmed The Rum Diary.

Once production began, he was away for a year, in Puerto Rico, Mexico and Hollywood. “When I started filming with Johnny, he said, ‘Do you mind me drinking?’ I said, ‘No, but I’m not going to, so why don’t you try not drinking on the movie?’ Johnny didn’t drink at all, on the film. He looks the best you’ve ever seen him – radiantly handsome.”

Then one day, Robinson recalls, “We were in a place called Fajardo. It was 100 degrees at two in the morning and very humid. Everyone’s drenched in sweat. One of the prop guys goes by with a barrow-load of ice and Coronas. I said: ‘Johnny, this doesn’t mean anything.’ And reached for a Corona.”

“And then?”

“Some savage drinking took place.” – Bruce Robinson

We have Amber Heard getting a bicycle and peddling around Puerto Rico drunk, hardly able to stay on the bike.

Folks, to this day, engagement, wedding, divorce done; I still do NOT believe either one of these two loved each other.  Actions speak louder than words, and it was NEVER there. You can believe he was in love simply because it helps you explain WHY he didn’t walk away from her, but that’s the easy way out.

We’ll never know all of the reasons but LOVE wasn’t one of them.  The only thing we do know that kept him around her? She’s an enabler. She didn’t care that he drank excessively. He did NOT have to be accountable, or responsible. Sometimes for a person struggling with demons, that’s all it takes. That’s all that matters.Combine it with a bat shit crazy who wants to manipulate you in your weakness and May 2016 happens.


67 Responses to ““Love” is When”

  1. KO August 27, 2016 at 4:14 am #

    Andy, they seemed to go down the route in 2015 of doing public displays of affection like The Danish Girl thing in Venice and other occasions. Obviously, an arrangement between them because we all know that marriage was dead in the ditchwater shortly after it took place.

    Why, therefore, did he get the ‘Slim’ tattoo in November 2015 when he must have known it wasn’t going to last much longer? I think by this stage he was trying his best to hang on to her for the sake of his public image.

    If you are dating someone and have been sleeping with them since 2009, why go on until 2012 before insisting that they go public with you. Up until that stage, it was like she was his ‘dirty secret’. The excuse that he didn’t want his children to see them together publically is a bit thin. They were living together and the kids would be well aware of it.

    He never looked happy with her in photographs and in the photos last year, he looked like he was forcing himself to look content (Grammy Awards photos).

    When they split up in 2013 (?) why did he go back after her (or did he?). It might have been her manipulating the situation to make it look like he, rather than her, wanted to get back together.

    When good longtime friends like Suzanne Witkin beg you not to marry her, why do you go ahead? The fact that AH rejected the first engagement ring offered to her was a sign of things to come. He could have called the whole thing off, let her keep the engagement rings and jewellery and got Jerry Judge and his team to keep her away. He could have got his attorney to arrange for her to have a modest pay off and sign a confidentiality statement. Instead, he has allowed this woman to make a laughing stock of him.

    He knew his children loathed her, and it wasn’t just because they didn’t want a stepmother. Lily-Rose made her feelings clear by boycotting the wedding. In fact, why did they have to have two ceremonies.

    • Andy August 27, 2016 at 5:30 am #

      Weirdness. I have my opinions but they aren’t popular so I’ll keep them.

      • B August 27, 2016 at 6:08 am #

        Very curious to hear your opinions Andy. Have you already touched on these things in Jamber? I’m new so not sure.

        • Andy August 27, 2016 at 6:22 am #

          My opinions go beyond it being just Depps decision.

          • Lynn August 27, 2016 at 6:37 am #

            If not Depp’s, then whose?

          • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 6:58 am #

            Oh Andy,i’m so curious… but who would want him to marry her ,in that case? i thought everybody hated her..family,friends, all…

          • B August 27, 2016 at 7:02 am #

            As in blackmail? Or something else?

          • Andy August 27, 2016 at 7:49 am #

            Either or

          • Frompariswithlove August 27, 2016 at 7:15 am #

            Mmmm… blackmailing, conflit of loyalty or conflict of interest that eats him away ?
            Give us a clue !

          • Andy August 27, 2016 at 7:53 am #

            I certainly think it was blackmail, the issue I ran into two years back discussing this? Most of the fans said there wasnt anything Depp could do that would make them stop being fans. ” It couldn’t be that bad” “Not bad enough to keep her around!” so I believe the=y could not wrap their minds around the fact Johnny had something he didn’t want the world to know about. Somehow Amber found out about it. Rumor has it she snuck NOT invited, to his Rum Diary trailer and went through things. (From a pretty reliable source) soooo… this could have been many things. Maybe it has nothing to do with the fans not caring and still loving him. Maybe its a private matter he doesn’t want the world to destroy or Amber Heard destroying it.

          • B August 27, 2016 at 11:00 am #

            “Rumor has it she snuck NOT invited, to his Rum Diary trailer and went through things. (From a pretty reliable source) soooo… this could have been many things. ” Typical narcissistic/sociopath behaviour. They try to find out personal information about you to later use against you or blackmail you.

          • KO August 27, 2016 at 2:19 pm #

            Andy, remember that it was the heading to Doug Stanhope’s article “Johnny Depp Is Being Blackmailed by Amber Heard – Here’s How I Know” that caused her to react so strongly. It is almost like it hit a raw nerve.

          • Andy August 27, 2016 at 8:49 pm #

            truth hurts

      • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 6:39 am #

        i would love to know your opinions….even if they aren’t popular,as you said.

        • Andy August 27, 2016 at 7:47 am #

          basically I just think some higher ups were in play, and god knows what kinds of pacts were made. Not much more to say.

          • Pennywise August 27, 2016 at 8:47 am #

            “Maybe it has nothing to do with the fans not caring and still loving him. Maybe its a private matter he doesn’t want the world to destroy or Amber Heard destroying it”.

            Something he doesn’t want destroyed? About his kids, family? Can’t she destroy it now? What’s stopping her? Hasn’t she done enough? Johnny and Vanessa would do anything to their family, that I believe. Recently Johnny stated if someone hurt his children he’d eat them. Plus, she’d look even worse if she brought his kids into this. Hmmm…

            “basically I just think some higher ups were in play, and god knows what kinds of pacts were made”.

            This I can see!! As the higher ups have to protect their brand-at all costs. Now I truly believe that AH is definitely screwed in Hollywood. Some sort of insider info?

            Andy, you’ve intrigued me.

          • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 10:25 am #

            Could it be a secret society? something like that? well i see your point…but at the same time it makes me thing, if that blackmail was enough to make him marry her, now, in case of divorce, and specially when she came to TV’s worldwide saying this guy is violent,drunk, druggie, don’t you think that this higher up’s would pay for her to be quiet, disappear from the public sight, and do all this as silent as possible? i think that at a certain point he was very brave, by dragging things so far…even now when he decided to give money directly to charities…he is provoking a crazy woman, but he took the chances…i’m mean even with the settlement she can leak more things, an say i didn’t do it! if she had something really serious on him, more then what we saw, wouldn’t he “cooperate” from the first minute? i don’t know, just sharing my doubts…

          • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 10:29 am #

            I can see that too: that she found something on him , in the trailer for instance, and started the black mail, and as he is a brand , for Disney etc, they would have a word to say in this situation…if that was the case,this was a nightmare to live

      • KO August 27, 2016 at 6:41 am #

        Andy, who cares about being popular? If you have an opinion – express it because this ‘relationship’ went on from 2009 to 2016 and it was weird from beginning to end.

    • L.C. August 27, 2016 at 6:04 am #

      It is weird. It seems like maybe he didn’t figure out she was wack until she knew too much about him, and then he was trying to keep her in check for both their sakes. Maybe not because he loved her anymore, if he ever did, but felt a duty to her as a person not responsible for herself and concern for his children and privacy. Which in turn took a huge toll on him. Kate Moss has indicated several times that he is a caretaker type of person.

      • KO August 27, 2016 at 6:42 am #

        I agree with this totally.

  2. KO August 27, 2016 at 4:17 am #

    I’ll add to my comment above that usually, wealthy people have people they are going to wed investigated. I am sure Jerry would have suggested to do so. If they did, JD would know she had a criminal record and a driving ban as long as the one she got means it was serious.

    • Andy August 27, 2016 at 5:32 am #

      Past records when a person was a teen may not carry much weight with some. Especially if they. Themselves did dumb stuff in their teens. Again weirdness.

  3. Pennywise August 27, 2016 at 6:09 am #

    I read somewhere that Suzanne Witkin married them. (The unofficial island wedding). True or not? If true, why would someone (Suzanne) who hated the union-officiate at it? I think he was either so infatuated with her crazy, dangerous go-for-it attitude (it excited him) or she had something on him and he was forced to acknowledged the relationship/marry. I also wonder how many other men and possibly women in Hollywood are shaking in their boots right now for fear of her exposing them!

    • Andy August 27, 2016 at 6:23 am #

      She was the photog. All I know for sure but yes, strange isn’t it?

    • KO August 27, 2016 at 6:43 am #

      Didn’t Daddy Heard say something along the lines that there would be no children if they weren’t married. As if his daughter is a symbol of morality LOL.

    • sadforjd August 27, 2016 at 12:25 pm #

      PW, I think you probably have it right…he was intrigued by her crazy, dangerous bisexual activities fueled by alcohol and drugs. I also believe she gathered all the info on Depp that she could. He was infatuated by her and confident in her. I’m still not sure why he married her unless it was a means to an end. He knew that once she got what she wanted she would hopefully move on…I still believe that she really thought he would give her the same payout as Vanessa.
      I also think she has mental disorder, she was hospitalized and Johnny felt he had to take care of her in which I believe her father sweet talked Depp into taking care of her…she listens to you, she looks up to you, she just doesn’t listen us and we fear for her life. Remember mommy and daddy went down under to make things right…again they were in Toronto when she yelled at her mother… her mother was wit her in New York as well…not sure why they the Toronto video of her being nasty to mother didn’t go viral. Daddy was there to redo baby’s car which if you noticed things her father choices for the car was changed without explanation. ..She knew that was happening she had her usually tantrum and picked what she wanted . ..another way for her to get in the lime light. Just look at the guys when she was freaking out, they all had long faces and was happy it was over.
      IMO, this isn’t over …she going to play this out to the bitter end. Johnny can only hope that turdy moves her attention to Elon and paps all follow, only than will johnny will be free from this bi-whore.

    • Frompariswithlove August 27, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

      There is a photo on her IG with JD. But no Amber to be seen !

      • Frompariswithlove August 27, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

        (Suzanne Witkin’s IG re: JD’s wedding with AH)

      • Andy August 27, 2016 at 8:49 pm #

        At the wedding? Yessss and why were no photos of Amber in her wedding dress ever released? Im going to post this

  4. Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 6:43 am #

    didn’t Suzanne post on her facebook that Ambitch begged JD to marry her? Well, Suzzane was “against” that union, she thought that he shouldn’t marry her,the most incoherent thing to do was to marry them…i don’t get this people…

    • KO August 27, 2016 at 6:44 am #

      She was the photographer.

  5. KO August 27, 2016 at 6:49 am #

    I would be interested in Jonathan Shaw’s opinion as to why this union went ahead. I wonder if JS attended either of the ceremonies.

  6. Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 6:51 am #

    one thing i don’t buy: if he was sleeping with her since 2009, i don’t believe that in 2015 he was blind with passion with her…specially with all that problems in that relationship…this doesn’t make sense. and the public appearances show exactly the opposite. Even in Venice he didn’t even look at her face most of the time! I remember everybody was commenting this on the DM article about that night. But he was all smiles with his colleagues… i won’t forget the hug he gave Kate Winslet when he saw her at the red carpet at Palm Springs! his face expression was sincere, like he was seek a bit of relief in that hug…or maybe a Johnny from the past.

    • KO August 27, 2016 at 6:56 am #

      Maria, the Venice thing was definitely one of those public displays of affection which celebrities put on for the camera. You can pick up that it is false from their body language.

      In fact, it is not my intention to be too nosy about other people’s intimate lives, but I don’t think those two had sexual relations for a long time before the separation.

      • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 7:12 am #

        yes i agree that was something they tried to pretend for the camera, but it was a total failure! I mean , she seemed ready to pretend, and he was trying at the beginning,but specially when they where inside the theater ,he wouldn’t even look at her!
        lol i would be surprised with that KO. At least , she said that she haven’t seen him for a month before the separation, and inf fact he came to Europe, presenting Alice in WL , without her. I just knew that this time things were really bad. It was a feeling. And i also noticed that , when the Eurostar train had the problem and they had to stop, he was drinking wine, at 10 am in the morning. A bad sign…i was waiting for something to explode, and it did! that’s why i like to know all your opinions: because the signs are there and we all see it and interpret it .

  7. Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 7:13 am #

    i meant : “i wouldn’t be surprised “

  8. Laura LaBonte August 27, 2016 at 7:23 am #

    I stopped following the relationship soon after J and A became public because: 1) I knew she was going to be trouble and it would end badly 2) I just got busy with life

    With that being said, once I started seeing all these photos of them together the body language told me that was the look of a man being held hostage…by alcohol addiction and Amber.

    As for the alcohol, from my experience and those I’ve heard from other who are now recovering from alcoholism…when one is in the disease, it is like living in a thick fog. Very poor life decisions are made. (Career wise, relationship wise). You feel trapped and reality is distorted. The alcohol drenched mind does not work properly, it believes things that aren’t true, thinks that things/situations/relationships that are bad will get better, etc. Add in a sociopath, manipulative partner and it’s like throwing gasoline on fire. It takes weeks or months without alcohol for this fog to finally lift.

    Now I have a couple crazy (or not so crazy) theories to add. Again these are just my ideas. Up until now, I’ve always kind of thought Johnny “got snipped” because he and Vanessa didn’t want to have anymore children. But maybe not.

    Now that I’ve learned more about Amber. I am thinking at SOME point she became pregnant (or more likely LIED to Johnny that she was pregnant when in fact she wasn’t). I’m heavily thinking a totally false pregnancy). Anyhow, he feels that now he has to stay with her. And that maybe their relationship will get better, (again, alcohol and Amber on the brain).

    Then the pregnancy (again, most likely pretend) ends in miscarriage (and she acts distraught and devastated, and Johnny feels so bad and sticks it out to comfort her). Or maybe it is terminated. In that case, Amber at some point tells Johnny that if he leaves her, then she will come out and tell everyone that he “made” her have an abortion. Since they spent weeks apart through most of their marriage, it would be totally feasible for her to have a real or fake pregnancy that ended in miscarriage or termination without him actually seeing the actual details of what medically happens after such events. I won’t go into details. I’m sure you know what I mean.

    I just want to end with that these are just MY theories. I have no evidence to base this on. Lastly, I believe that if a woman is pregnant, it is her right to decide whether to the continue with the pregnancy or not. But to lie about it or threaten the other party about it is wrong.

    • L.C. August 27, 2016 at 7:36 am #

      Interesting. I hadn’t thought of that, but it would not surprise me one bit. It is something people like her do, unfortunately. (I’m not judging on abortion, just the lying and manipulation part. It is just the cherry on top for them that it also creates drama.)

    • S August 27, 2016 at 7:50 pm #

      Hi, this is my first time commenting here but I have been “lurking” for a bit.
      Do you think that this could be the source of the “medical record evidence” she claimed to have proving “abuse”? Perhaps trying to say he beat her so hard that she lost a baby. Or that he was so controlling he forced her into terminating a pregnancy. Maybe that’s why her evidence was just the intake form she filled out herself to make it say anything she wanted. With spending so much time apart and his “fog”, he may not have been able to tell if it was real or not. I do not know what all those types of medical situations entail. If there are any pills prescribed for it (miscarriage or termination), maybe that’s the picture of the pills in her hand listed as evidence. If so, assuming it wasn’t photoshopped, the date on the label could be telling on whether it was during Johnny’s sentence or someone else. Anyway, that’s just a few things I had been thinking about ever since the “medical evidence” and “picture of pills in hand” threats, I mean “evidence” was mentioned.

      • Andy August 27, 2016 at 8:51 pm #

        Theres no way he beat her really bad – else the doctor and or nurses are obligated by law to call law enforcement. FROM the office. It was just a medical record showing she went to the doctor, probably for something like anti anxiety meds or some shit and they were going to TRY and use that to make a DV case. boo

        • S August 27, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

          I don’t believe he did, either. I don’t see medical staff not reporting something like that, especially if it killed a fetus. Are we still supposed to believe he has medical staff in his pocket along with responding officers and random witnesses that she couldn’t explain why they saw no injuries? ha.

          If it was just for anxiety, surely his side could have countered that with statements from people (not medical staff bound by HIPAA) in their circle who knew she was on those types of meds long before she wormed her way into his life. It’s too bad the pic wasn’t made public record, so people could figure out what they are and call her out on it. Even without a bottle label, it might be possible by the pills. There is also the issue of whether it was someone else’s and she just took a couple to pose for a pic & put back without their knowledge. Seems like she is good at that sort of thing…

          I did a little research after my first comment. I found out that there are certain drugs prescribed that could be used for both miscarriage and early termination. So even if she released the pic of her holding these pills and claimed it was Johnny’s fault… she still couldn’t prove that she didn’t terminate on her own free will. Or that she didn’t cause it herself. But it would damage his reputation since most people just accept what they see in a likely biased article/press release from one side. I do think the implication he caused the loss of a fetus would be hard for his fans to overlook. And he’s pretty helpless to stop it because assuming these theories are true, he probably doesn’t have a way to disprove the way she spins it.

      • Pennywise August 28, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

        Medical intake forms mean nothing. Anyone can go on-line and download them. It’s just for information gathering and nothing more. Once the information is obtained and documented we throw them out!!! And the info is subjective!
        A person can lie all they want and we take them for their word. Plus Amber said it was a “partial” form as if she (or one of her minions) went into an office and took one home. Had she an intake form, doctors name, appointment documented, and chart showing DV, then she’d have some footing. She’s got and never had anything!

  9. B August 27, 2016 at 7:31 am #

    Interesting theories.

  10. thollycat August 27, 2016 at 7:41 am #

    I get the feeling that JD had a midlife crises & fell in love with the image that she was reflecting back to him.
    I think she was probably quite charming & as others have said mirroring similar interests and mis-understood-ness etc.
    It had to be a strong pull to go against the opinions of those closest to him.

    Was it love, probably not, but I think he might have thought so for awhile.
    I think he does have a vulnerable quality that endears him to so many but in this case, for her, it made him an easy mark.
    I also agree she encouraged him to drink a lot etc…as it is easier to manipulate someone if they don’t have their wits about them.

    Somewhere I read he stated they had a great realationship until they married, which fits the bill. Once she “had” him, she could drop the charade.
    Why didn’t he leave her? He knew there was no prenup. I also wonder if she didn’t threaten to trash his kids somehow as that’s what seems to be the most important to him.

    Now….she’s made him look badly, and to his kids, whether they admit it or not, he looks like a fool for having even been with her. I don’t think he cares too much about public opinion, but his children’s…yes. I think he is also probably kicking himself for ever exposing them to her.

    I certainly wouldn’t want to be her right now.

    The whole charity thing….he knows better than us she would pitch a media fit, not sure of details of agreement but my guess is he’s giving her a heavily baited rope to hang herself. He had his lawyers give a public statement, not his style, I really think it’s a set up.

    • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

      i totally agree with our opinion, except the fact that their relationship was great until they got married. I don’t think so, and videos like the Tokyo premiere show how bad things were, which made the wedding an incomprehensible step…specially for someone experienced as JD…

      • Andy August 27, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

        Tokyo “Come on famewhore”

      • thollycat August 27, 2016 at 10:39 pm #

        I don’t know if they were happy before wedding,
        I just remember reading that he said it.
        There def. seem to be pieces missing and so much of it doesn’t make sense…..:-)

        • Andy August 27, 2016 at 10:40 pm #

          The only happiness was “stated happiness” the photos and video proved otherwise

  11. Bex August 27, 2016 at 7:42 am #

    Please let us know your opinions Andy, we know you think outside the box….

  12. Bex August 27, 2016 at 8:06 am #

    Oops, just seen some comments above, never mind

  13. Laura LaBonte August 27, 2016 at 8:38 am #

    omg I just saw the pic of Johnny hugging Kate Winslet in Palm Springs. Wow. You can’t see his face (or hers) but he’s hugging her so tight almost like he’s saying “HELP ME!” Especially when you compare it to the pics with Amber the very same night. It’s crystal clear.

    • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 10:38 am #

      yep! exactly! to me that says a lot, it was like a “thank god you’re here” , it says a lot!

    • Maria84 August 27, 2016 at 10:39 am #

      if you google it in one photo you can see his face, his eyes are closed! his face expression is almost heart breaking

  14. Viudanegra August 27, 2016 at 9:08 am #

    I love JD, the same way I loved Michael Jackson at the time. It comes to my mind that one thing that really can ruin a person career is any sexual bahvior that is considered deviant/aberration. We dont know what AH discovered in that trailer. It could be that pivotal? We never know.

    • KO August 28, 2016 at 12:36 am #

      That is exactly what I was thinking.

  15. branmuffin August 27, 2016 at 11:00 am #

    I think Andy and thollycat nailed it.

    It seems as though Johnny was bored with Vanessa (and vs versa) combined with mid life crisis.

    The young pretty Snake fit his needs at the time until he realized what a pain in the ass she REALLY is. Plus, she’s so sterile. No character whats so ever. She’s like a slice of bleached white wonder bread. On top of that SHE’S A NAG RAG. Crew on Pirates are documented saying she drove him nuts and was banned from the set.

    Seeing her now well documented record of blackmail and extortion, she most likely found something to hold over his head.

  16. Jo32 August 27, 2016 at 11:14 am #

    That video of Johnny hiding on the floorboard of a car.. it says a lot doesn’t it? For 99,99% of the people it means you REALLY don’t want to be seen with the other person sitting next to you. (there’s always a slight chance of lost contact lenses and such).

    But in Scamber’s case a few years later this person (the yoga twit) sits on the floorboard because the people NEED to see how much Scamber is suffering and crying by getting a restraining order and all the DV (imho all the extra work because she didn’t get the money when she asked for it when filing for divorce).

  17. PennyForYourThought August 27, 2016 at 11:40 am #

    Andy, when you lay it out like this, the pictures speak volumes. I didn’t really get it until I seen all these pics in a timeline. It’s very telling.

    “We have Amber Heard getting a bicycle and peddling around Puerto Rico drunk, hardly able to stay on the bike.” I’d love to see this pic if you have a link. Thanks. 🙂

    • Andy August 27, 2016 at 8:46 pm #

      I’d love to have the photo – if the bike still exists, which I doubt and I’m not envying her gyno at all. Nope.

      • PennyForYourThought August 28, 2016 at 12:54 am #

        FFS! You kill me! If you ever come across it, please post it in its own post. The comments would be priceless! Thanks! 🙂

        • Andy August 28, 2016 at 4:51 am #

          If I find the photo I might say a prayer for the poor seat

  18. dkstevens327 August 27, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

    Can a narcassist truely feel love for someone else? I’m not sure she’s actually capable of it.
    One thing I noticed in their photos, aside from his unhappy face, was that she always tried to be physically in front of him. They could / would be holding hands at, say, a premiere for one of his films, where people want to photograph him, and she’ll be almost 12″ closer to the photographers. With that “Barbie” one leg in front or to the side stance she has.
    I’ve been reading a lot of comments (on other sites) about how Depp chased her — I’m guessing they’re referring to that month when he sent her daily flowers and a song. I think by then she had him tightly in her web and knew he wasn’t going anywhere.
    Brilliant move on his part donating tbe money directly. People thlught she had already donated and she got her headlines but — whoops! — she doesn’t get to look like she donated and keep the money! Checkmate, Amber lol

    • Olivia August 28, 2016 at 3:37 am #

      It’s what she wanted us to believe. Now we know that she doesn’t have problem with lying to the media and even in the court documents, like the leaked emails of Musk. According to the S. Witkin, it was her who chased Depp.

  19. catburk August 28, 2016 at 7:23 am #

    I read this thread last night, but had to sleep on it. A lot of theories and opinions that are so very interesting and well worth discussion. Andy, you have created a wonder outlet for us, please don’t ever hold back. I look at this place as somewhere I can throw out my thoughts and not be judged.

    My overall opinion is that any sort of “blackmail” came into play only when she was threatening to file / filing for divorce and trying to get $$. Why? She’s honestly too stupid, and being a narcissist, it’s not needed. A narcissist will spin their web with lies and deceit and reel in their victim. That is what they pride themselves on. (Although, in time, a victim may be afraid that the narcissist will say or divulge something because you eventually realize they have no boundaries.)

    I believe that JD went into the marriage by his own accord, that was completely clouded by alcohol, maybe drugs, and surely the narcissist’s web of deceit. If you have not personally known a narcissist or seen how they work, it can be hard to believe what kind of control that they can have over someone. And based on what I’ve read, JD is the perfect victim.

    I think Amturd bit off more than she could chew. I think JD was a formidable victim. Dealing with an alcoholic is an unstable roller coaster and he’s a respected actor and person who really is bigger than life to many.

    Interesting that she was caught going through JDs things during the Rum Diaries. I’m sure she was collecting information to use in her scheme of reeling him in. But who knows.

    With regard to the person that referenced Doug Stanhope’s article and the title referencing blackmail – he said in his interview with Howard Stern that he didn’t write that title – it was done by The Wrap that published the article.

    • KO August 28, 2016 at 1:01 pm #

      I am that person referred to in your last paragraph. Yes, I know Doug complained that he didn’t come up with the title. That is usually left to magazine/journal editors. However, it makes me wonder why an editor would come to use that particular word. Perhaps when DS submitted his copy, there was a phone conversation and the editor concluded ‘blackmail’ from things that were said, but not put in the article.

      No matter what, I hope she has to drop her legal action against Doug, unless she has a wealthy benefactor who would pay her legal fees.

      • catburk August 28, 2016 at 2:43 pm #

        I hope that the legal action against Doug Stanhope gets dropped, also. I was thinking that the editors came to the same conclusion that we all came to when reading the article – Turd was essentially going to blackmail JD. While Doug didn’t use that particular word in his article, he was basically defining what could be blackmail and the editors just put a word to it.

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