How Did Johnny Let This Happen?

20 Jun

The Million Dollar Question

Why or How did this relationship ever get this far? How would he not see the content of Amber’s true character?

No one can answer that question but Johnny

What I can do is provide some information on the victims of Narcissists, and show you how many people fall victim to those who are narcissists.

In hindsight victims can look back and see the red flags, but during the initial start of the relationship the narcissist uses charm, and manipulation to acquire trust. We see this many times with Amber Heard. The numerous lies, the contradictions, the likes, and dislikes being the same things Johnny liked, and disliked.  All false.  Just lies.  This is a tactic used by almost all narcissists.

Luring someone in. Someone vulnerable. They can spot a person with a weakness miles away. They learn from a young age how to manipulate, and get their way.
Amber Heard developed a  crush on Depp as a  teenager. She seemed to have researched him. Finding his likes, and dislikes. His personality traits. Why? In my opinion at first I think  it was for fame, and money. To get close to him for her own ticket to the top. She placed herself around people in the film industry that knew Johnny, had worked with him on films.

Johnny had no reason in the beginning to think she was damaged, or lying. He’s stated himself he doesn’t do the internet much so why would he be searching for things she was lying about, contradicting herself? He wouldn’t. He wasn’t on the internet trying to find out if she was a liar. He trusted. Did anyone tell him they had a feeling she was bad news? I have o idea, but even if they did it doesn’t mean he would believe them. By that time the N has already started a mind fuck, ” Your friends don’t like me, whhhy when all I’ve done is helped you? Why won’t they give me a chance?”

We saw a decline in him. He looked empty, sad, unfulfilled. He was changing right before us. At times he looked like a shell. This was years before the marriage. So why don’t the victims leave? Breakup? Call it off?

For any combination of reasons. Take a look at the before, or at the time he started going out with Amber, and the Depp later on.  Never was anyone less equipped to get out by that stage. I don’t know if this is true, but hypothetically he would feel a failure, depressed, his self worth in the shitter, feeling as though “This is the best it’s going to get”, a deep sense of being a nothing. (those photos of empty eyes making sense now?) and this does nothing, but hurl you deeper into any dependency you may have. (alcohol)

The N has drip fed you negatives, about yourself, your friends, isolated you (Easy for N’s, but easier to do to someone that loves their privacy and doesn’t go out a lot) The N’s lack of respect for you, or things they are telling you “You’re too much this way, or too much that way, stop being a baby, your fans are going to hate this, or love this, You’ve really fucked up this time, I can’t believe you’ve gotten away with being this reclusive for years. You’re losing”it”

When you realize the N is bad news, it’s usually too late, and you’re left to think about “If I get out I will look like a failure, self hatred, depression. “How did I go through this??” “What do others think of me since I allowed this to happen?” I’m a failure. My friends were right.”

Depp may have gotten caught up in the cycle and experienced all of the above. Its the manipulation from the N that lulls you in, and before you know it… you trust what they say, and you don’t believe they would hurt you intentionally. That’s not what love is about right?

They beat you down verbally, you start to believe what they say. They are Master manipulators, schemers, and when it starts to go south for the N – you start to get smart to what they are doing.  When you stop feeding their need for admiration, when you stop supplying them with everything they want , and have been doing. (Ex: You want a divorce, or want out)  the N turns on you even more. They will try to affect how people see you as a person. (DV)

The controversial Dr. Sam Vaknin, a self-confessed NPD, has written profusely—at times, brilliantly—on the subject. In his article “Pseudologica Fantastica,” he freely admits:

“I lie. Compulsively and needlessly. All the time. About everything. And I often contradict myself. Why do I need to do this? To make myself interesting or attractive. In other words, to secure narcissistic supply (attention, admiration, adulation, gossip.

A victim of an N, doubts themselves, they are confused. Gas lighting is a technique of psychological abuse used by narcissists to instill confusion and anxiety in their target to the point where they no longer trust their own memory, perception or judgment. With gas lighting, the target initially notices that something happens that is odd, but they don’t believe it.  The target attempts to fight the manipulation, but are confused further by being called names or told that they’re: ‘Just Too sensitive’, ‘Crazy’, ‘Imagining things’ or the narcissist  flat out DENIES ever saying anything hurtful. Gradually, the target learns not to trust their own perceptions and begins doubting themselves.

You feel crazy, Every minute of every hour of every day of every year, a Narcissist, who has a DSM classifiable personality DISORDER (ie: not playing with a full deck) is PROJECTING their disorder onto those around them. If you don’t think that having a crazy person constantly blaming you for being “crazy” will make you crazy, I’d like to introduce you to a narcissist that will convince you otherwise.

This disorder isn’t a relationship gone wrong. This disorder isn’t kid stuff. It’s MALEVOLENT. It’s a transference of malevolence and MENTAL DISORDER from the person who has it to the person who DOESN’T.

So what do some N victims display? Any symptoms? Some of all of these? Avoidance, loss of interest, feeling detached, sense of a limited future, sleeping or eating difficulties and nightmares, irritability, hyper-vigilance, easily startled, flashbacks, hopelessness, psychosomatic illnesses, self-harming, thoughts of suicide etc.

Victims will tend to disassociate with their own self. Their body, their surroundings, it can lead to substance abuse, low self esteem, self harm, and this is brought on by intimidation; emotional, physical and mental abuse; isolation, economic abuse, sexual abuse, coercion, control. It is a coping strategy brought on by tremendous stress.

It’s a vicious cycle and a victim can already have been through it many times before realizing something isn’t right.

So why did Johnny Depp not see this? Why do so many others of N abuse not see it at first? Johnny Depp isn’t a superhero. He’s human. Like the rest of us. Having money, and people around you isn’t fail proof. Sometimes it can make the situation worse. No one is immune. Human emotions are real, strong, and unpredictable at times. You take a trusting, good hearted person, who means well, is successful, and has done well for them-self both financially, socially, and who wants love like the rest of us …….. and you’ve got the perfect “weaknesses” (characteristics) that N’s look for.

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Sources:
https://www.sott.net/article/144549-Narcissism-Victim-Syndrome-a-new-diagnosis
Book:
Malignant Self Love – Sam Vaknin
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75 Responses to “How Did Johnny Let This Happen?”

  1. Sherilyn June 20, 2016 at 11:29 pm #

    Good read. Thank you.

  2. Mango June 20, 2016 at 11:51 pm #

    It’s the very beginning that bothers me…. The way she was acting and demeanor was NOT what he looked for…. With her character…. What I’m trying to say is I don’t think he would’ve gotten that far on his own accord…. It went wierd for him too early… And her wild ways is NOT what men … (And to how he was portraying himself to be)… . Would even want in a relationship. It wasn’t long it was going down hill and he looked miserable early on… She wouldn’t have to get to the “narcissistic ” point… He was ALREADY turned off….. And was ready to bail in 2013… Right at Rolling Stones… Walking in mile ahead of her and hiding his head to the floorboards when leaving with hands in his lap… No… That’s “I don’t want this” behavior. He was already not into it… And no man who wants any sort of “long” relationship… Goes after someone doing sexual dancing and lap dances and bedroom bragging… Maybe a “few go arounds” … Even that is yuck… Plus oh yeah she was taken by a different scenario… Hmm too wierd

    • Andy June 20, 2016 at 11:58 pm #

      She was narcissistic from the get go, although part of that million dollar question is why he did the 180 and hooked up with her – allowing it to get as far as the Rolling Stones concert when his body language clearly says “Nope” I understand why you could be confused. I understand why you and others may think there is another underlying currant here, but as far as ever knowing what that is? Probably not. What we do have and can see is behavior on her part at the end of this shitstorm – accusing him of DV that does not make sense. Listen I went for the last several years not understanding why this progressed after seeing his body language early on, I have my own thoughts at this point its almost moot as to why because NOW she’s opened up a can of worms about DV and it doesn’t matter what other influences there were in the beginning.

      • Mango June 21, 2016 at 12:04 am #

        But I was just wondering if anyone else was open to there Possibly being other influences as well … I was interested in what your opinion was… If you didn’t want to share that that’s fine….
        But I just wondered at least if anyone else thought that too some… Thanks for explaining 🙂

        • Andy June 21, 2016 at 12:06 am #

          I guess some could but it’s escalated to the point now, where she’s went beyond that. The concentration should now be removing her from his life no matter what the first influences were.

        • strider June 21, 2016 at 12:37 am #

          Yes, seems like there´s something missing, because it doesnt make sense, i even thought of witchcraft, but seems that the only explanation is that he was a victim of all this narcissist stuff, i can´t even wrap my mind about it still, it´s mindblowing to me, but it´s that or witchcraft…….

          • Andy June 21, 2016 at 12:45 am #

            Witchcraft doesn’t promote or do things of that nature. Period.

      • Liz June 21, 2016 at 12:34 am #

        Experts do say it is incredibly common for a man in mid life crisis to choose a partner that is drastically different from anyone they have ever been with. not sure if the science of why is in yet. Just another of many possiblities.

    • Sherilyn June 21, 2016 at 12:28 am #

      I agree. Johnny will find his way again. Time and distance, then he will be able to look back into the situation and realize what is was. Thank goodness he wasn’t under her spell that long. He will heal. Getting back on tour will help him, surrounding himself with good friends. He just went a little sideways, for what ever reason, we will never know, but he will get back on track.

      The things that scares me most are the promiscuity, needle use, and the drugs and drinking. Reputations can be recovered, a few million, can be recovered, broken heart, can be recovered, but a life threatening disease, not so much. I would be very scared.

      Amber will crash and burn. Mark my words. She’s on her way now.

    • Monkee June 21, 2016 at 12:48 pm #

      A short while after the doggie smuggling fiasco I remember reading that JD was said to have been seriously considering divorcing her and her parents flew down to Australia and begged him not to do it until they had worked out her charges, got them reduced or dismissed, etc. That always comes back to me when I think about the timing of her divorce filing and her accusations. They just get the Aussie thing settled and she pulls this? I think she was trying to beat him to the punch. I think that he was checked out of their marriage for a very long time, or at least very dubious it would work. I think the reason he stayed through the Australia debacle is because he promised her father he would, and that’s just how JD rolls. Up until the bitter end he was taking up for her even though he probably had begun to suspect that she was really screwing him over. She is his wife, after all, and if he made a promise to her father, he certainly kept it. And when you think about it, her father not coming to her rescue and standing up for her against Johnny makes sense if you consider the rumors at the time of the Aussie incident.

  3. strider June 20, 2016 at 11:58 pm #

    Great post. I knew she was bad, but it was worse than i imagined, i never realized it was so disturbing..it’s quite scary to think of this monster of a woman next to Johnny for so long.

  4. D June 21, 2016 at 12:02 am #

    Since these escapades have begun, I was directed to this site through a few comments I read on a few other websites. I was in the same situation for a year and a half. Lost 30 pounds, couldn’t function, and I wanted to sleep alot. For the longest time, I wanted to believe the person I was with had good intentions. No, no, no. It was all abou the high they felt at the beginning of the relationship. I found out he had been cheating (on Valentine’s day, of all days). I had had this gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach for a few weeks. I checked his phone (yes, I know, invasion of privacy). The first words out of his mouth after I told him what I found were “You went through my phone?! What the fuck?! You’re crazy!”. I stayed because he apologized. Then he slept with my roommate, who was also in on the game. It was crazy making time for the both of them. Needless to say, I went through hell until I packed my shit and moved back home to Indy. Of course, he tried to get me to stay. It wasn’t good enough anymore, it was all bullshit on his part.

    Argh, I’m ranting. Anyway, this particular celebrity crap resonates with me. I feel for the guy. She’s just a stain. It’s tough when you think you love someone, only to have them stab you in the back at every turn. Thank you for bringing light to a situation many did not know was occurring. Though it will have no lasting effects on any of us here, the damage she has done to DV and NPD victims is shameful, to say the least.

    • LZ June 21, 2016 at 10:35 am #

      Sorry to read what you’ve been through. At best, you’ve survived the ordeal and on your way to healing and recovery. Though it will take time, JD will certainly go through that phase. I’m hoping that he’d be able to recoup whatever he’s lost because of his turbulent 2nd marriage.

      Stay strong, D. 🙂

  5. Elizabeth June 21, 2016 at 12:27 am #

    I am wondering what she will do next. Is this typically what happens with a narcissist? Is she over it now? Is that why there is so much silence all of a sudden? Has she moved on to a new “mark”? Or is she gearing up for something much bigger?
    I have a hard time believing she would stay so silent voluntarily.

    • Sherilyn June 21, 2016 at 12:38 am #

      Her lawyers have probably told her to sit down and shut up. Or someone. You know she is reading all the comments about her and fuming to say something. And maybe throwing a tantrum, throwing her phone, crying to her cronies. But she is probably planning the next victim. And if she does get cast in the Aquaman movie, all I can say is to the leading man, RUN, RUN, RUN away from her. DON’T GET CAUGHT UP IN HER BS.

      • Elizabeth June 21, 2016 at 11:07 am #

        Hehe that is what i am imagining right now, that she is losing her mind because she is not getting the reaction she wants. I am really hoping that everyone on the Justice league set sees through her BS and doesnt fuel the fire by siding with her. I have lost respect for anyone who came out in her defense.

    • Liz June 21, 2016 at 12:38 am #

      Any number of things can happen now but she’s certainly not done with him. They still aren’t even divorced. She may possibly attempt to torment him for years to come or she will never speak of him.
      But yes this disgard of making the victim into the abuser is standard.

    • D June 21, 2016 at 12:47 am #

      When a narcissist realizes they cannot sink their teeth in anymore, they will go away. Until the court date, you can bet she’s probably going to add some kind of fuel to this fire. As long as she can get something from him, she will rake and claw her way towards that goal. I am sure she is planning a new mark, or she has one and they just don’t know it yet.

      If the judge agreed to extend the RO and the hearing is not until August, they may* have signed a gag order.

  6. Sherilyn June 21, 2016 at 12:42 am #

    Nite All. It’s 1am for me.

  7. annie June 21, 2016 at 12:55 am #

    Just some thoughts… narcissism isn’t cut and dried or black and white, it is complex. It’s close but often doesn’t hit the spot when I read about it or write about it. We live in a world where narcissists thrive. Many people in positions of power have narcissitic traits. They don’t show their bad narcissism to everyone around them, so you’re caught in this no mans land. Most people don’t ‘get’ the subtlety and nuances of a narcassist… it often isn’t extreme. But to the so called victim, it eats away at you gradually, you are spending a lot of the time just trying to rationalise the experiences and general chaos. People say they don’t love, this is not strictly true… I think there is a continuum of good to bad ‘symptoms’ that can change in the same person, they can get better or worse depending on what or who is triggering them The more emotional baggage both of you bring into the relationship the worse it is. It runs in families (a learned behaviour?) and can cause other disorders too. Amber has it bad, I so hope she is firmly and resolutely put in her place and kept far out of the public eye. These people are extremely resiliant.

    • Liz June 21, 2016 at 12:59 am #

      Amen! I need a love button! Ha

  8. Liz June 21, 2016 at 12:56 am #

    So glad you made this post! I understand why people will still struggle with understanding. I went through this for 10 years and now many years later there are still things I don’t understand! And likely never will. It’s impossible to understand fully another humans behavior. As you said, it’s complicated and the mind fuck gets to a point where you no longer know what was real.
    I was just discussing with a friend, not about this case, about our experiences and it led me to the simplest explaination I could come up with:
    Start
    A narcissist is charming, engaging, they have a way of making you feel like you are the center of attention, they care and have great interest and compassion for you. They will share many interests and similar opinions. They are especially wonderful when you are alone or when they are out to impress someone. They work to become your closest confident and strongest pillar of support.

    Then when the nastiness begins, in small doses, you first ignore. Maybe that didn’t just happen. Then you down play it. Everyone has faults right? Then you make excuses. Maybe it was just a bad day. Maybe that person deserved it. Maybe they told that lie to protect someone’s feelings. Then, the real tricky shit begins. They make you think it’s your fault. I’m angry because you’re nagging me. I lie because if I tell the truth you’ll get upset. I’m being mean because you’re pushing my buttons. You’re the nasty one! You’re the liar! I never did that! You’re imaging that!

    Go back to start and repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

    It is a circle that starts small and grows until you are trapped. Then when they are done, like a blackhole, it implodes on you!

    And that is the simple version. I still have questions about my own hell, Johnny will always have questions about his. He likely won’t bounce back suddenly or unphased. But he will be more like himself now. It is a mind fuck. Don’t worry if you can’t fully understand. No one does.

    Hope you don’t mind me sharing my version, I think the more explanations people read the more they can see both the patterns and the madness!!!!! And if it can help anyone feel less alone or crazy, even better. That’s what helped me.

    • D June 21, 2016 at 1:08 am #

      Wonderful post. I can very much relate to what you said. Similar experience, it’s almost like being reborn when the courage comes to leave. Of course, there is all the residual nastiness from such a relationship, and I am still working on regaining who I was before it happened. But sometimes bad things happen to good people in order to allow growth. Not that it should, but we are all the wiser for it. Great post, Liz.

      • Liz June 21, 2016 at 1:19 am #

        yes too often the good people get hit the hardest. trust that all their ugliness will fade. And moving forward you will know the signs and will hopefully never be a victim again!
        Virtual hugs to all the Narc vicitms. We are not the crazy ones!!!!
        Now I should really go to sleep. This has been such a good bedtime story. Haha

    • annie June 21, 2016 at 6:33 am #

      Hi Liz, thank you… it is so good to hear your take on things. It’s good to get another person’s perspective. I don’t do a lot of reading about it normally…. this current situation in the media has brought it to the forefront for me. I went no contact about 12 years ago but they still, indirectly, have an effect on my life and the people I love.

      At least Amber didn’t have children, that’s all I can say.

      I’m glad too that you have found a stable place beyond their grasp. That’s all we can hope for really.

  9. Liz June 21, 2016 at 1:12 am #

    And if I had $1 for every time I’ve heard “you’re too sensitive” I’m sure I’d have more money than Amber will see in her lifetime!

    Perfect. Nailed it. Thanks again Andy!

    • Andy June 21, 2016 at 1:14 am #

      TY Liz for you input.

      • linda June 21, 2016 at 6:45 pm #

        The “A team has broken their silence, this afternoon, here on the east coast. Accusing Johnny of cheating. E! News reporting.

  10. mud6352@gmail.com June 21, 2016 at 6:39 am #

    Good post Andy agree she is planning her next victim i hope people read here so they are awarehoe evil amanda is

  11. Minnie1 June 21, 2016 at 9:31 am #

    Most have probably been in a situation where something really horrible happens and you don’t care whether you live or die. If rumors are true, his relationship with Vanessa was over or close to over. Johnny probably was emotionally drained and more vulnerable than he realized. Being a middle aged, jaded man whose long term relationship had gone south, well, there’s one way to put a temporary patch on all that pain, and that’s mindless bonking.

    I think he go roped in initially by cheap, easy, and kinky sex. Amber, being an amoral fameho, made sure his every sexual fantasy was fulfilled. Of course, being a Master of the Universe, he assumed he was in control of the the situation.

    And then there are drugs–Johnny was no slouch. He probably thought this was going to be a kinky, drug addled fling, but he got further sucked down into a circle of hell by the siren call of the narcopath.

    Early on in this mess, there were photos of her family going into some sort of clinic. Did she try suicide when he wanted to break if off? He was being manipulated each step of the way. Someone posted on a Cdan blind that she manipulates on a level rarely seen. A person in his circle in Toronto told the gossip columnist Lainey that he enjoyed the drama she brought into his life. She insinuated her way into his life and he got accustomed to it. It’s easy to get accustomed to dysfunction if it’s attractively packaged.

    At some point, the dynamic shifted and I think Johnny was ready to call it quits. Maybe his mother sat him down and told him a few home truths and he realized what his life had become? But Amber acted first.

    • Ps June 21, 2016 at 9:58 am #

      exactly my thought, sure he filed for divorce, but she tried to come out ahead. To feel victorious!

    • Adriana Merchiori June 21, 2016 at 10:01 am #

      If you read Lainey’s site every post on this issue is biased, against Depp. She automatically took Heard’s word as gospel truth, constantly referring to her as a victim and anyone who questions Heard as victim-blaming. It is not a neutral or unbiased stance, so if you are looking for facts and insight, Lainey’s site is not the place for it. You can’t even post comments and debate her view. If she did get any gossip from someone in T.O. it isn’t a friend of Depp but someone who is saying it’s Depp’s friend but may be in fact part of Heard’s circle. Lainey constantly slams TMZ as being Johnny’s mouth piece but neglects to see herself and People mag as a blow horn for Heard. Aside from that, staying more on point with the topic, it is quite easy to fall for someone like Heard especially if you are in a mid-life crisis or some kind of vulnerable state where you are feeling insecure. People like her will build you up and then tear you down. She skillfully knew what to say to him for him to believe they were ‘soul mates’, meant to be together. She had done her research and let him know in doses what she liked and it seemed to be exactly the same things that interested Depp. She titrated the situation, giving, then backing off to insight interest, then giving a little more. This happens more often than we care to believe. It’s just always clear to those not involved who are watching this go down.

    • Mango June 21, 2016 at 10:41 am #

      I like your comment but if it was so enjoyable why did he look so miserable like he had a bad stomach ache over half the time? Or better yet tell his enjoyment to go to hell on live tv?

      • Mango June 21, 2016 at 11:04 am #

        Sorry. I may not ever know what it is or how…. But I think something or someone else was acting in this. Whether fully narcissistic or not… I just don’t fully think that is the reason he stayed in this. I think he found outlets from it good or bad, but I still think he would’ve bailed at least twice if it wasn’t for a mystery source of angst we don’t know what it is…. I’ve always felt it was some sort of threat to him though…. I don’t think it had to do with her “fooling” him. I think he’s gone the whole time… Wording himself funny in interviews trying to not fully lie but avoid the real truth… Her words are even worse … Usually a way of telling the truth but disguising the “real” meaning at the same time…. I’m just not ready I guess to fully give her all the “credit” to his set back with her. I just think it would take more than her “lousy” scheming to do all this. The whole time he has looked like a fish out of water to his own life and can’t fully say or be what he wants to except on his projects for his livelyhood .
        Sorry but it would seem more because of the “missing factor” of him putting up with all this than her causing unnecessary term oil in his life… With everything he has been around and experienced in his career and life… I don’t think a “midlife” crisis is what fueled this. IMO she is getting too much credit. I’m Prepared to be fully wrong that’s fine . If I am than I am. But I’m not ready to say there wasn’t something else acting to keep him anchored to her longer than what he wanted and more the real reason he “tied the knot”… I may not ever know what it is but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there or not real.

        • Adriana Merchiori June 21, 2016 at 11:54 am #

          when you say something else, are you referring to extortion of some sort? Do you think she has something on him that made him marry her. I’m trying to figure out what you mean by “something else acting to keep him anchored”

          • Mango June 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm #

            Most likely…. I’m not sure, it just seems something along those lines…. Something that would back him in. Corner like that. I just don’t know what it would be…. But that’s what it seems like .

      • Andy June 21, 2016 at 3:08 pm #

        Because of the mind fuck

      • Mariadv June 21, 2016 at 9:06 pm #

        Hi! i read your comment, and went to see the video when he says that,to go to hell in a handbag or something. I support johnny and always thought that there was something wrong about Amber. But honestly after watching that video…i feel sorry for her, too just for that moment…you can see that Johnny is completly high, he is making a fool of him self, it’s sad and painful to watch…and she is there, without being able to look in peoples eyes,she looks like she is about to cry…but she tries…pretending that everything was fine…i wouldn’t even walk with him to the premier ….or i would have started a fight in front of the cameras…and i would do that for love, to save him…it isn’t hard for me to believe that his addictions caused terrible fights between them…the question is, was he miserable because of Amber or would he do the same with other woman?don’t get me wrong i’m Johnny team, but i’m afraid that his problem is deeper than Amber…

  12. dkstevens327 June 21, 2016 at 10:22 am #

    Andy — thank you for your defence of witchcraft. I was going to write a response, but you covered it. Witches follow the rule of three: “do what ye will / so mote it be”. If a true witch does harm, it will come back three times as strong. No true “witch” wants that!
    Also, I reblogged one of your posts but I’d like to have your permission to use some of your posts on my blog. I will, of course, give you full credit and link back to your blog. (I believe giving credit is very important.) Thank you either way and, if you want, I’ll even remove the reference to your page. I usually ask first; my apologies.

    As for the article, brilliant as usual. If you Google “Johnny Depp drunk awards show”, you’ll see him slurring a rambling speech..Some of us might’ve pulled our fiamcee aside and said, “you’re making a fool of yourself”. Amber Heard thought it would be a good idea to involve the press and let them know she felt her fiancee made a fool of himself in public.
    What kind of person would throw their fiancee, a person they plan to marry and supposedly “love”, under a proverbial bus? Amber the Narcissist, of course. After all, it got her name in the papers so who cares if it might hurt her fiancee or his children and family?

    I really wish my introduction to Amber hadn’t been the Sunday after Johnny’s mom died. I would’ve copied those photos on instsgram showing her full unblemished, unbruised, uncovered face. But by the time she came up with the D.V. story, the pictures had been taken down.
    Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. If you look at pictures of Depp from just before they got together and throughout their relationship, he looks like a man being beaten down by life… or by someone.
    Blessed Be.

    • phonytexanbitch June 21, 2016 at 11:17 am #

      Yup! And the reason witches get a bad name. Everyone thinks they are evil and do evil things. Not true! “And it harn none, do what ye will” is the Wiccan rede. That includes trying to control someone’s free will, with love potions or spells. The most I have ever done for someone without their permission is a protection spell. For anything else, I would need the person or persons’ permission.

      Thank you to those who understand! I hope others will look into Wiccan to gain understanding as well before speaking of witches. And please stop referring to Teard as a witch, it really is insulting to witches.

      • Andy June 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm #

        I think she’s everything bad that people who are ignorant want to think about witches. I get why they say it. I’m guilty of that but yes we should think before saying that

    • Andy June 21, 2016 at 3:06 pm #

      I am not pagan but learned some things, and respect all religions. . Merry Meet to you. I welcome you to re blog them . Thank you for even considering it. BB

  13. mileytransformation June 21, 2016 at 10:26 am #

    “I know I’m fine without it[money]. That’s why maybe I’m so independent. I never expect anyone to give me anything—the notion of someone supporting me would be absurd to me.”

    http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a16795/amber-heard-december-2015-cover/

    • Andy June 21, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

      Ohhhhh day yum! Lol

  14. Sandra June 21, 2016 at 10:40 am #

    Downheartedness what was I sensed coming from him.

  15. Minnie1 June 21, 2016 at 10:45 am #

    Adriana: Yep, Lainey has become a Social Justice Warrior for Amber. I don’t bother anymore/

    DKstevens.: I think she was setting him up. Maybe not for DV charges at that point, but there were blinds about her talking about getting power of attorney so that she could basically take him over. The DV charges might well have stemmed from being thwarted over the power of attorney.

    • mud6352@gmail.com June 21, 2016 at 12:11 pm #

      Exactly a plan of up to no good for sure i think it was a very evil plan piss off lainey

  16. overundersidewaysdown June 21, 2016 at 11:25 am #

    Narc’s need to win. I notice the tide has turned against AH in the comment sections of current press releases.
    She can’t feel like she is winning right now. She will be compelled to do something to seem victorious in some way.

    • Monkee June 21, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

      I suspect you are right. I suspect very soon we will see her name trending in google news and on facebook, because she will not quit while she is behind. It is the one thing I respect about a narcissist, they will never stop until they win, and they never give up. I have no respect for their willingness to do anything to win, but the determination part would be great if they could isolate it and get rid of the rest of their BS

      • Liz June 21, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

        There is a possibility, and we can all pray, wish, positive vibes, mediate, whatever floats your boat for this: when a Narc is loosing ground, when they get caught in their lies, when they need to feed after they’ve discarded their victim, that is the time they make a fatal mistake. Right now, she wants his attention more than anything. Right now it’s eating at her that after all she’s done, he’s ignoring her. Right now is the time she could break and do something as stupid as show up at his house or start sending him messages and calling him. Right now that RO is doing her more harm than him.
        It’s like a boomerang effect, they always want to come back for more.
        Let’s hope she gets herself arrested for trespassing on his property!
        Or she’ll just try more tabloid stories but that won’t fix her need.

        • mud6352@gmail.com June 21, 2016 at 8:25 pm #

          Oh excellent liz i agree i hope she fucks up royally she has to be pissed off intensely did the twat really think he would want to talk or go near her sicker than i xan even imagine blows me away go ahead amanda make our day

  17. Minnie1 June 21, 2016 at 12:00 pm #

    Hopefully, she’s stewing in her own bile and poisonous juices.

    I have a feeling we’ll be hearing from her again very soon–it’s been too quiet.

  18. overundersidewaysdown June 21, 2016 at 1:05 pm #

    As to the why people get involved I think it is the excitement. The excitement feels like youth and life until it all comes crashing down around you. Narcs are a charming lot, and when they are reeling in their prey they mirror their prey to hypnotize them like a snake charmer would hypnotize a cobra. I think JD may be an empath and if so that is like honey to a bee, the narc has no real feelings and an empath is loaded with supply for the narc. That is the hard part, the narc has NO REAL FEELINGS. They act, and when the curtain comes down there is only an empty shell. The drama seems like real feelings but as we all know it is not. I am just obsessed with this story because of my own life experiences with these types of people.

  19. Liz June 21, 2016 at 1:07 pm #

    Sigh. When it’s still it’s easier for people to believe in witchcraft or some elaborate conspiracy involving powerful players than what a Narc is capable of…The Narc wins again. More victims silenced and made to feel crazy. And I guess a sociopath must be an evil overload directly powered by Satan.

    Fuck it.

    Johnny Depp may as well save his breath, the world will never believe him. well, some of us will.

    And I see no one talking about the very real possibility she beat him! What power does that have? Go ask an abuse victim why they stayed when they knew they were living in hell and wanted out. Please. Go ask them.

    But no. It must be witchcraft. Because Johnny Depp is above all that normal human bullshit.

    FUCK IT!!

    • Liz June 21, 2016 at 1:16 pm #

      PS. I could tell you all first hand stories of lies about abuse, rape, dying of “cancer”, abortions and shit no one should ever lie about… Only one person was involved in creating, spreading, and sustaining those lies. The Narc.

    • strider June 21, 2016 at 2:30 pm #

      I don´t think it´s witchcraft, as i didn´t know about all the narcissist behavior, i just meant to say that one gets to imagine any possibility to try to understand what´s going on. And i used the word witchcraft in the wrong way. i meant no offence to witches.

  20. Minnie1 June 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm #

    Liz, I have no doubt that she beat up on him. Look what she did to Tasya, and in public.

    I think she controlled him up to a certain point by plying him with drugs and alcohol. Also it fit into two scripts: He’s impaired and she gets power of attorney or she claims he hits her and then blacks out and doesn’t remember a thing ( And she gets to make up the rest of the story!!)

    .

    • Liz June 21, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

      Yep. All things possible to control him. But violence or threat of it is enough to keep someone trapped. Sometimes the simplest explaination is the right one.

    • mud6352@gmail.com June 21, 2016 at 3:26 pm #

      Agree

  21. Jo32 June 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm #

    I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s a narcissist with a borderline personality disorder! For example: it explains the self-harm like the bruises we’ve seen on the pics and has anyone seen the weird scratches on her right forearm at the Art of Elysium 2016? She still has scars at the Net-a-porter event in February and a new cut on her left forearm. It explains why she’s all sad and hurt on May 27th but all smiles and happiness the next day. She’s very good at the smile/non-smile thing…but you might already noticed that.

    She probably was all acting very charming and lovely when she finally met mr. Depp and hey, what are the odds!.. she and he share the same opinion about literature, music, fashion and life! (so he thinks).
    And that’s how she trapped him. And she won’t let him go before she gets what she wants.

  22. XZY June 21, 2016 at 2:38 pm #

    Oh narcissists are not that talented to spot weaknesses in people, they’re too lazy to think that hard. For them it’s a numbers game. They try and try, and when they see it work, that’s the target. They will try to learn everything about someone to manipulate them and give the sense of sameness. Who it works on it works, who it doesn’t they move on.

    • Andy June 21, 2016 at 3:22 pm #

      They can and DO spot and look for weaknesses. Read over at the narc victims forums. Those weaknesses are tools they use to manipulate

  23. Marika June 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm #

    She is a Narc for sure and they believe their own lies, I’ve seen numerous photos now some from here and some other places of poor Johnny having injuries and just the way he was looking I could tell he was being abused, I recognized that same sadness in his eyes and his inability to really smile, he looks so much happier now. Narcs do untold damage both psychologically and sometimes physically, I’m still in chronic unbearable pain and disability almost 7 years later after my ex pushed me very very hard, then continued to physically abuse me for the next year and a half till I had no choice but to flee otherwise he would’ve killed me. Yet he was telling people I was the abuser, I was crazy.
    Thank goodness Scamber didn’t have any children to him she would’ve used the child as a pawn in her perverted game.
    The fact she had a crush on him since she was a teen and then sought after him is creepy.
    She looks narcissistic, the look at me neck tilt and the I’m so glamourous smirk, heck with a budget of $50k a month any woman could look stunning.
    there really should be help for men with domestic violence just because they are physically stronger doesn’t mean they can’t be hurt and it’s always been such a stigma for men to talk about it or admit it.
    Johnny loves being kind and helping people, as mentioned before in this thread he is an Empath, they care too much, a Narc will suck that right up and spit out what’s left without a second thought and do it in such a way the poor victim won’t really realize till it’s too late. Then the Narc will cry poor me and try everything they can in their twisted minds to turn everyone against their target.
    Domestic Violence doesn’t discriminate, rich, poor, or inbetween, famous or not,
    I really hope Johnny is ok and knows there are people who support him and believe him.

    • Liz June 21, 2016 at 4:19 pm #

      Something that hasn’t been mentioned that can also play to Johnny’s change in behavior, mannerisms and appearance… Including explaining his pissed off, distant look in front of the paps and on red carpets and in interviews. Mirroring. Or reflection. Now mostly you will read about this as it pertains to the person with the disorder and it’s true, we’ve seen Amber attempt to be more like Johnny, only adds to the confusion. But what also happens to the victim is they begin mirroring some of their abusers behaviors. Amber is ice cold, Johnny feels that and reflects it. Amber makes snarky disrespectful comments, Johnny does too. Amber looks full of herself, Johnny does too. Amber flirts or whispers snarky jokes in his ear, Johnny reflects that as well. This can also explain him having interests in new things, taking up causes he never had before, having new views he’s never expressed before. It is Amber’s reflection.

      When you are the victim, you eventually find yourself having some of those nasty traits, which of course adds to their claims that you are the problem. Even gives weight to their lies for the people around you. For me the clearest case of this was their response to the dog case. I did not feel Johnny responded to that in his normal way at all. He got down in the gutter and made personal insults and mocked and acted as though it was no big deal. But never forget Amber did it first. Amber was planting that behavior in him all along. From the moment it went down she likely told him “they’re overreacting, they’re doing this because you’re a big star, they’re just seeking attention, that guy is a bully and big fat disgusting pig! What could our healthy little puppies do to anyone?” And so on.

      This is yet another common thing that happens. I’m not making this shit up. The studies are in, the experts talk about it and I’ve personally been there. You begin to hate yourself for behaving in ways that are not you. Just another reason you feel guilt, shame and like you’re going crazy. That was the final sign for me, when I could see her behavior reflecting off him. It started happening the moment she wanted to go public.

      Some level of this is common in all relationships, but with a person with a disorder, they want to force every bit of their problems on to you. Just another piece of the endless mind fuck. It really should be a crime!

  24. rugoing2eathat June 21, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

    You decide.

    Narcissist vs sociopath:

    There’s good reason that narcissists and sociopaths get confused in our minds, and that is because they share some elements – sociopaths are narcissistic but narcissists are not sociopaths. Though they share some motivations and behaviors, some elements of their personalities are very, very different. Clarity about the differences is probably the most useful way for a layperson to differentiate the two types. If you are interested in more information about how the personalities are similar, see this series of blog posts that compares and contrasts narcissists, borderlines, and sociopaths.

    Basic similarities of narcissists and sociopaths:

    • Both have charisma or charm that they use to get people engaged.

    • Both tend toward grandiosity – big ideas, big stories, big visions.

    • Both take credit when things go right and point fingers when things go wrong.

    • Both are self-serving.

    • Both lack empathy; narcissists are unable to see things from another’s point of view and sociopaths can see how they effect others but just don’t care.

    • Both exhibit a sense of entitlement.

    • Both have a total lack of personal insight into their emotional selves.

    • Both can skillfully re-craft the past to suit own needs.

    • Both can speak of emotions, but their experiences differ from that of people with empathy.

    • Neither apologize when it would be appropriate to do so, although a sociopath might offer a fake apology in order to keep things moving along.

    What’s different:

    A narcissist will talk about himself, a sociopath will get you to talk about you.

    A narcissist will introduce topics of interest or concern to himself, a sociopath will introduce topics of interest to you.

    A narcissist wants to be perceived well, a sociopath wants to be perceived in whatever way will best suit his purpose.

    Both ignore social rules, but a narcissist does it out of lack of awareness, while a sociopath does it to manipulate situations for his purpose.

    A narcissist is somewhat hapless and unaware of his personality predicament his behavior and his effect on others; a sociopath is likely to be aware he is different from people who experience empathy and knowingly use this difference to get his way.

    A sociopath is pre-occupied with winning, while a narcissist is preoccupied with being appreciated and admired.

    A sociopath is a stimulation junky seeking ways to avoid boredom, while a narcissist may or may not be oriented to high stimulus activities.

    A narcissist is unaware of the aggravating effect he has on others, while a sociopath is very aware of the effect on others.

    A narcissist may demean you, be a bully, or mess with your career if he perceives you as a threat, while a sociopath will knowingly try to take you down or out altogether if you get in his way. A sociopath is likely to be cunning, patient and strategic in this process. He plays a long game while a narcissist plays a shorter term game.

    A narcissist doesn’t mind working hard if it leads to approval, while a sociopath manipulates to do as little work as possible for the purpose of having money without expending effort.

    A narcissist will have many relationships that end badly, while a sociopath is more likely to cut and run altogether once their manipulations are revealed or thwarted.

    Both are chameleon-like and adapt their stories to please their particular listeners, however a sociopath may skirt closer to the edge of believability somehow managing to get you to doubt yourself rather than the fantastic story.

    A narcissist is likely to adapt better to a work situation in established organizations with clear rules and social codes while a sociopath will prefer a start up or entrepreneurial environment where the rules and social codes are not clear.

    A narcissist will get frustrated that his attempts to interact with empathetic people seem to go awry; he’ll feel like a victim because his efforts don’t work. A sociopath will not feel this sort of frustration, he processes what other people would consider to have emotional import as neutral information.

    Both can make poor collaborators and team members. With a narcissist it’s due to poor social/emotional skills, self-orientation, and hapless attempts to get their own needs met, while with a sociopath it’s due to manipulation to get out of work, thwart others, win out, and get what they want.

    • Andy June 21, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

      NARCOPATH

    • overundersidewaysdown June 21, 2016 at 6:27 pm #

      Brilliant post.

    • JL June 21, 2016 at 9:08 pm #

      Great post loved the info…

  25. Rosie June 21, 2016 at 4:37 pm #

    Ive read that the producers of justice league have conformied that she still be playing mera.. Unfortunately

    • Ps June 21, 2016 at 5:19 pm #

      Well we have another failure to comment. Nothing she does now will save her career has sunk

    • mud6352@gmail.com June 21, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

      Ugh holy fuck

  26. Minnie1 June 21, 2016 at 6:46 pm #

    So we get to watch her wiggle her fin for 2 1/2 minutes??? Can’t wait

  27. Liz June 21, 2016 at 6:53 pm #

    LOL I just posted she needs to feed. And she already ran to her pals at E! to print something. I don’t read them, out of protest because she is directly feeding them and I refuse to play part in her torment but it’s funny as shit how predictable this bitch is!!!

    The well of attention is drying up. No one is talking about poor Amber. Johnny is ignoring poor Amber. Poor Amber is about to snap!

    Jerry Judge, Amber Alert! Full force, everyone on deck, this is not a drill man!!!!!

  28. JL June 21, 2016 at 9:07 pm #

    I will not watch Justice League or Aquaman… They force that troll down our throats and they can take the loss.. No to movie, no to DVD, and no to tv when it hits.

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